Ultimate/at4x bose speakers

Hey man. I know jack shit about audio. I have the GM Kicker sub. Is there any way of salvaging this unit? Will a DSP or swapping out the amp help?
I don’t know the specs on the kicker system so don’t want to lead you wrong. Replacing the amp with one like the Kicker with key (anti roll off feature) should help a ton, plus you would have the remote jack on the amp to run a knob to control the amp and a lot more power. The problem is I don’t know what ohm or rms power rating the accessory kicker sub is. You need to match the sub ohm rating to the amp. If you have a single 4 ohm coil on that sub (my best guess being a small kicker sub) you need an amp that matches. My kicker amp is a mono (one channel) that is 1 ohm. My sub is 2 2ohm coils so you wire those together to get 1 ohm to match the amp. Some subs like infinity now have switches that allow you to change ohms which allows matching to various amps.

If you can figure out the ohm rating on the sub that would help. I would probably keep the box, fill with Polly fill, put in a pioneer shallow dual voice coil sub, and wire to a new amp. At least you could reuse the box. I use the pioneer sub only because it works with very small air space and works in a shallow enclosure, and comes in 4 or 2 ohm versions. When you look for options not a lot out there that meet all those specs. So for about $350 you could solve the problems you are having and reuse the box you bought.
 

Hey Gang - 2024 AT4X with 12 Speaker Bose. Agreed that it is lackluster at best.

I started with sound deadening all the door - pretty comprehensive. Check out both Sound Skins for custom fit door sound deadening and Sounds Good Stereo for all other damping and speaker adapters.

500% improvement and eliminated any rattles that aren’t speaker specific. I did replace rear door speakers as a first item.

Also agree with post that Bose Tuning is too heavy on dash speakers.

Next will be a 12 channel Helix Amp w DSP. I was going to do the JL Audio Subs in rear, but the sound deadening made such a huge difference, think once tuned via the DSP, likely don’t need it - but leaving option open.

See photos below.
 

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Hey Gang - 2024 AT4X with 12 Speaker Bose. Agreed that it is lackluster at best.

I started with sound deadening all the door - pretty comprehensive. Check out both Sound Skins for custom fit door sound deadening and Sounds Good Stereo for all other damping and speaker adapters.

500% improvement and eliminated any rattles that aren’t speaker specific. I did replace rear door speakers as a first item.

Also agree with post that Bose Tuning is too heavy on dash speakers.

Next will be a 12 channel Helix Amp w DSP. I was going to do the JL Audio Subs in rear, but the sound deadening made such a huge difference, think once tuned via the DSP, likely don’t need it - but leaving option open.

See photos below.
So sound deadening alone can provide that much of a perceived bass improvement?
 

Check out my sound system build for some details that may help you decide how to proceed.

You can replace speakers and it can help a bit but it will not solve the real issues. Bose sends way too much sound to the front dash mid speakers (centerpoint). They are small mid range and do not give a good full cab filling surround sound many of us prefer.

The Bose signal to the rear doors is almost non existent. Stock speakers are 3 ohm. I replaced with infinity 2.7 ohm and 92 db sensitivity speakers, those are really good specs for a speaker that can produce good sound with low power needed. You can buy $1,000 speakers down to 2 ohm but that 2 vs 2.7 ohm difference is pretty negligible to what you would hear.

Swapping dash and front door speakers will help some, but waste of money for rear door. Signal is just not there.

That leaves you with getting a digital sound processor and amp, or amp with DSP to correct the input signals to give you a full signal to all speakers you can tune appropriately.

Good news is you can do this pretty cheap. About 300 for speakers in my case and around $250 for the JBL 8 channel amp with DSP. Now you have a good signal, with way more power to each speaker which are better quality.

That takes you to bass. If you want more then you need a sub. You can do the factory kicker option, but I feel that is over priced for what it is.

A simple 8” or 10” sub designed for a small box, in the enclosure of your choice along with an amp will take care of the bass side of things. I used a kicker amp that puts out 500w at 1 ohm ( probably 3 time more than the factory aftermarket option) and it corrects the drop off of bass frequency the factory system does. Bose set up cuts down bass the higher you turn up the volume to prevent the crappy speakers from falling apart. You need an amp that corrects that drop off from the factory input signal. The kicker amps with Key running do that.

I used my 8” sub box from my old 2007 F150, put in a pioneer dual voice coil sub and packed the box with Polly fill. I added a bass knob to the dash so I can turn the sub up and down to match what I am listening to.

So that was about $150 for the sub and about $200 for the amp, box I already had but you could make one yourself that would only take up 50% of back under seat storage area. So bass for $350 plus box vs factory option which is about $1000.

My bass shakes the whole truck, side mirrors and will vibrate the rear view to the point I can see out of it. I never turn it up past 50%. You will not get that kind of power out of the factory version, but it will add bass for sure.

No right or wrong way to do it, just got to decide what you want to take on yourself, how much you want to spend, and how much better do you really want it.

I like to do things myself, with the best result possible, at a price lower than off the shelf solutions so that impacts my choices.
Thank you for the info! Much appreciated Sir.
 

So sound deadening alone can provide that much of a perceived bass improvement?
The difference was significant. Hollow, tinny, and very little bass. I thought the subwoofer which is small and under the center console wasn’t even working.

I sound deadened the entire inside skin of the door (black hole material) can feel a significant difference in the door close even - added the absorbtion blocks (black hole), the inside door metal (under the interior door trim - sound skin pre cut - made the job much easier) - and then the backside of the door panel. Has multiple (100+) plastic pieces riveted and plastic welds. So added sound deadening wherever I could that wouldn’t interfere with snapping the panel back in place - and at plastic clips to ensure they couldn’t rattle.

I’d say most would be fine with just this change.

I want this thing to have an excellent sound stage and more balanced output - so think the Helix AMP and utilizing the built -in DSP to tune properly will make all the difference.

The tweeters are over driven and crackle a-lot (a-pillar, top of rear doors and now even the coaxial I installed in lower rear doors as first speaker replacements).

I still plan to sound deaden the floor up the firewall as far as I can go and back wall - which I believe will help even more….but I’d still argue that just replacing speakers won’t be enough without sound deadening doors, and in many cases - could avoid it.

I had originally though I needed to replace all speakers - my local custom audio shop recommend six speaker changes - and DSP. Said they will tune the right frequency.

Poster Pinebaron here also though replacing them all was overkill.

I have a bad audio controller (locks up, freezes, no volume), so trying to get the dealer to replace the unit since latest updates didn’t fix the issue.
 

So sound deadening alone can provide that much of a perceived bass improvement?
The difference was significant. Hollow, tinny, and very little bass. I thought the subwoofer which is small and under the center console wasn’t even working.

I sound deadened the entire inside skin of the door, added the abosrobtion blocks,
 

Hey Gang - 2024 AT4X with 12 Speaker Bose. Agreed that it is lackluster at best.

I started with sound deadening all the door - pretty comprehensive. Check out both Sound Skins for custom fit door sound deadening and Sounds Good Stereo for all other damping and speaker adapters.

500% improvement and eliminated any rattles that aren’t speaker specific. I did replace rear door speakers as a first item.

Also agree with post that Bose Tuning is too heavy on dash speakers.

Next will be a 12 channel Helix Amp w DSP. I was going to do the JL Audio Subs in rear, but the sound deadening made such a huge difference, think once tuned via the DSP, likely don’t need it - but leaving option open.

See photos below.
@JDAT4X , what was your solution for the tweeers in the a-pillar and rear doors? Sounds like you may have gone with coax speakers in the back.

I have an ‘23 Ultimate with the same 12 speaker system. I’ve pretty much sorted out what I want to do for my full system upgrade, but the tweeters have me stumped. I already took everything apart and measured all the speakers and the factory locations. I want the ability to return everything to stock. The factory tweeters live in a molded plastic housing but the tweeters themselves can be removed. The housing only allows for a tweeter replacement that is ~41mm. I am struggling to find an aftermarket tweeter that fits, and I’d prefer not to alter the a-pillar if I can avoid it. Curious what your solve was?

Pics of the a-pillar are attached.
 

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@JDAT4X , what was your solution for the tweeers in the a-pillar and rear doors? Sounds like you may have gone with coax speakers in the back.

I have an ‘23 Ultimate with the same 12 speaker system. I’ve pretty much sorted out what I want to do for my full system upgrade, but the tweeters have me stumped. I already took everything apart and measured all the speakers and the factory locations. I want the ability to return everything to stock. The factory tweeters live in a molded plastic housing but the tweeters themselves can be removed. The housing only allows for a tweeter replacement that is ~41mm. I am struggling to find an aftermarket tweeter that fits, and I’d prefer not to alter the a-pillar if I can avoid it. Curious what your solve was?

Pics of the a-pillar are attached.
Hey Joey,

For rear door using passive coax (BLAM) speakers….the rear door tweeter is far too embedded into the door assembly to remove, and problem is the crossover for both speakers is wired to the tweeter before it travels down to the lower speaker.

There is no real option for the a-pillar without modification that I can find - and had conversation with Sounds Good Stereo and my local custom shop that will tune the audio.

There are only 8 channels out of the Bose amp feeding the 12 speakers.

I get quite a bit of “crackle” noise from tweeters using Tidal and Spotify…it can’t handle the volume. Improved following firmware upgrade - but head unit still faulty and speakers not being driven at right frequency.

Sounds Good Will create a custom a-pillar from stock but they have not been able to order the stock one to offer as a retro yet (not available from GM at last check.

Using TS 20MG 35HR that can be siliconed in place of tweeters - could be removed later - but wouldn’t be a clean operation. It has a slick locking ring - so mine will be cut in.

Can always modify and buy replacement a-pillars when they become available - as experienced - easy to remove and Install.

I don’t intend to return to stock if I ever sell….did pretty extensive sound deadening already.

I can’t finish install pending repair/replacement of Bose Factory head unit which is causing pretty erratic infotainment operation and impacts seat control as well.

Sorry I’m not better help on solution - let me know what you decide.
 

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Hey Joey,

For rear door using passive coax (BLAM) speakers….the rear door tweeter is far too embedded into the door assembly to remove, and problem is the crossover for both speakers is wired to the tweeter before it travels down to the lower speaker.

There is no real option for the a-pillar without modification that I can find - and had conversation with Sounds Good Stereo and my local custom shop that will tune the audio.

There are only 8 channels out of the Bose amp feeding the 12 speakers.

I get quite a bit of “crackle” noise from tweeters using Tidal and Spotify…it can’t handle the volume. Improved following firmware upgrade - but head unit still faulty and speakers not being driven at right frequency.

Sounds Good Will create a custom a-pillar from stock but they have not been able to order the stock one to offer as a retro yet (not available from GM at last check.

Using TS 20MG 35HR that can be siliconed in place of tweeters - could be removed later - but wouldn’t be a clean operation. It has a slick locking ring - so mine will be cut in.

Can always modify and buy replacement a-pillars when they become available - as experienced - easy to remove and Install.

I don’t intend to return to stock if I ever sell….did pretty extensive sound deadening already.

I can’t finish install pending repair/replacement of Bose Factory head unit which is causing pretty erratic infotainment operation and impacts seat control as well.

Sorry I’m not better help on solution - let me know what you decide.
Hey JDAT4X, appreciate the quick response. Sorry to hear about your infotainment problem. I hope your issue is isolated and isn't an early warning sign for the rest of us.

For sure, the Bose speakers and tweeters are pretty awful. The fact that you can buy a replacement tweeter direct from GM for $17 says a lot!

I will remove the Bose amp entirely and use the Axxess AXDSPX-ETH1 to send clean full range signals to my amps. I've tested the interface and it seems to work OK. The only downsides I've noticed with the interface are a couple of odd chimes are missing (e.g. there's a chime when you shift into park that the Axxess interface isn't picking up and a seatbelt warning chime). Other chimes are working OK. I know folks have had mixed results with this interface so I may end up replacing later if something else comes on the market (supposed to be some more coming).

I was able to easily remove the tweeter from the rear door panel. It was held in place by plastic tabs in plastic housing that is virtually identical to what is in the a-pillar (41mm diameter). For the rears, I was thinking about using a Hertz C 26 OE tweeter. It has a nice flat face that can attach with adhesive and it is 39mm in diameter. In my rig, the rear door tweeter and woofer are wired in parallel and there is no crossover for the tweeter, just a filter cap mounted inline that you can see in the picture. So, I'll probably use the stock location for the tweeter and a 6 1/2" woofer.

Up front, I am debating (a) modifying the a-panel to fit a bigger tweeter (b) using the same Hertz C 26 OE, or (c) not using the a-pillar location and using the right left dash locations for tweeters instead of mids. That BLAM tweeter looks like it would fit in the a-pillar, though it is hard to find complete documentation online. Do you know if the tweeter grill cover is removable?

How are you planning to mount the tweeters in your a-pillars? What speakers did you use in the dash?
 

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Hey JDAT4X, appreciate the quick response. Sorry to hear about your infotainment problem. I hope your issue is isolated and isn't an early warning sign for the rest of us.

For sure, the Bose speakers and tweeters are pretty awful. The fact that you can buy a replacement tweeter direct from GM for $17 says a lot!

I will remove the Bose amp entirely and use the Axxess AXDSPX-ETH1 to send clean full range signals to my amps. I've tested the interface and it seems to work OK. The only downsides I've noticed with the interface are a couple of odd chimes are missing (e.g. there's a chime when you shift into park that the Axxess interface isn't picking up and a seatbelt warning chime). Other chimes are working OK. I know folks have had mixed results with this interface so I may end up replacing later if something else comes on the market (supposed to be some more coming).

I was able to easily remove the tweeter from the rear door panel. It was held in place by plastic tabs in plastic housing that is virtually identical to what is in the a-pillar (41mm diameter). For the rears, I was thinking about using a Hertz C 26 OE tweeter. It has a nice flat face that can attach with adhesive and it is 39mm in diameter. In my rig, the rear door tweeter and woofer are wired in parallel and there is no crossover for the tweeter, just a filter cap mounted inline that you can see in the picture. So, I'll probably use the stock location for the tweeter and a 6 1/2" woofer.

Up front, I am debating (a) modifying the a-panel to fit a bigger tweeter (b) using the same Hertz C 26 OE, or (c) not using the a-pillar location and using the right left dash locations for tweeters instead of mids. That BLAM tweeter looks like it would fit in the a-pillar, though it is hard to find complete documentation online. Do you know if the tweeter grill cover is removable?

How are you planning to mount the tweeters in your a-pillars? What speakers did you use in the dash?
Hey, I used Infiniti Primus speakers which have seperate tweeters. I am running the tweeter and woofers off separate channels using the JBL 8 channel amp with DSP. It meant running new speaker wires for the extra channels but was worth it and I left the OEM wires if I want to return to stock. Doing so with 2.7 ohm speakers I am sending 50watts to each tweeter and 50 watts to each woofer. I can also control the tweeters and adjust time delay etc. to really make them sound right. I popped out the factory tweeter from the A panels. My infinity tweeters fit in the cup with some extra room. I just drilled holes in the plastic cup and ran zip ties through the holes over the back of the tweeter. Holds the tweeter firmly in place, no movement, and I can clip the zip tie, pull the tweeters and reinstall the OEM if I want. My infinity have an in line crossover at 3khz. I have my dsp amp set at 3khz as well, but still used the inline crossover as it was very small and extra insurance in case I mess with the amp crossover points. The JBL amp with DSP works great being fed by the Bose amp outputs, no change to any factory functions. I did the same in the rear doors as well with the 6.5” woofers and tweeters.
 

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Hey, I used Infiniti Primus speakers which have seperate tweeters. I am running the tweeter and woofers off separate channels using the JBL 8 channel amp with DSP. It meant running new speaker wires for the extra channels but was worth it and I left the OEM wires if I want to return to stock. Doing so with 2.7 ohm speakers I am sending 50watts to each tweeter and 50 watts to each woofer. I can also control the tweeters and adjust time delay etc. to really make them sound right. I popped out the factory tweeter from the A panels. My infinity tweeters fit in the cup with some extra room. I just drilled holes in the plastic cup and ran zip ties through the holes over the back of the tweeter. Holds the tweeter firmly in place, no movement, and I can clip the zip tie, pull the tweeters and reinstall the OEM if I want. My infinity have an in line crossover at 3khz. I have my dsp amp set at 3khz as well, but still used the inline crossover as it was very small and extra insurance in case I mess with the amp crossover points. The JBL amp with DSP works great being fed by the Bose amp outputs, no change to any factory functions. I did the same in the rear doors as well with the 6.5” woofers and tweeters.
Sorry forgot I used a piece of metal strapping for the rear door tweeters. There are some factory screws near those tweeters so I cut a piece of strapping that goes over the back of the tweeter and the strapping is held down by the factory screws. Easy to take off as well and pop OEM tweeters back in those cups if needed.
 

Hey JDAT4X, appreciate the quick response. Sorry to hear about your infotainment problem. I hope your issue is isolated and isn't an early warning sign for the rest of us.

For sure, the Bose speakers and tweeters are pretty awful. The fact that you can buy a replacement tweeter direct from GM for $17 says a lot!

I will remove the Bose amp entirely and use the Axxess AXDSPX-ETH1 to send clean full range signals to my amps. I've tested the interface and it seems to work OK. The only downsides I've noticed with the interface are a couple of odd chimes are missing (e.g. there's a chime when you shift into park that the Axxess interface isn't picking up and a seatbelt warning chime). Other chimes are working OK. I know folks have had mixed results with this interface so I may end up replacing later if something else comes on the market (supposed to be some more coming).

I was able to easily remove the tweeter from the rear door panel. It was held in place by plastic tabs in plastic housing that is virtually identical to what is in the a-pillar (41mm diameter). For the rears, I was thinking about using a Hertz C 26 OE tweeter. It has a nice flat face that can attach with adhesive and it is 39mm in diameter. In my rig, the rear door tweeter and woofer are wired in parallel and there is no crossover for the tweeter, just a filter cap mounted inline that you can see in the picture. So, I'll probably use the stock location for the tweeter and a 6 1/2" woofer.

Up front, I am debating (a) modifying the a-panel to fit a bigger tweeter (b) using the same Hertz C 26 OE, or (c) not using the a-pillar location and using the right left dash locations for tweeters instead of mids. That BLAM tweeter looks like it would fit in the a-pillar, though it is hard to find complete documentation online. Do you know if the tweeter grill cover is removable?

How are you planning to mount the tweeters in your a-pillars? What speakers did you use in the dash?
 

Haha. I too priced the factory replacements out of curiosity. They’ve made the Bose Centerpoint a marketing point for sales - pretty laughable and not funny at the same time. I will say the sound deadening in all doors made a significant difference before any speaker replacements….I’d say a 5 fold improvement. (Deadened exterior door skin behind glass, interior door skin and door panel.

I’m assuming you mean bypass the Bose Amp Control Unit as oppose to replace it since it contains the control unit for infotainment and a host of other chips that control other functions?

I am using a HELIX 12 channel amp with built in DSP, a T-Harness, and ANC Bypass so all the chimes pass through properly. Reduces the need for the AXDSPX and reduces wiring, etc.

Will also be using a JL Stealthbox run with separate 800W Helix Amp.

When I first started the conversation - was told by this forum and Sounds Good and local shop I do not need to replace all 12 speakers which was my original goal. So 6 speakers (dash, a-pillars, rear doors) and the stealth box. Utilize the DSP to properly tune all speakers.

This is my first true auto audio upgrade in a long time beyond just speaker replacement…of the number of vehicles on hand, this thing is garbage ….so catching up on latest technologies and speakers. I thought w the hype of Bose Centepoint, wasn’t even thinking about it until I tried using it…coming from a 2017 Silverado that had superior sound system compared to this one.
 

Hey man. I know jack shit about audio. I have the GM Kicker sub. Is there any way of salvaging this unit? Will a DSP or swapping out the amp help?
Sound deadening is fastest option to better sound. All four doors and the door panel. And if ambitious - floorboard and back wall.
 

I’m assuming you mean bypass the Bose Amp Control Unit as oppose to replace it since it contains the control unit for infotainment and a host of other chips that control other functions?
The Axxess interface completely bypasses the Bose Amp and you can physically remove it from the vehicle. It intercepts the Ethernet output that feeds into the Bose amp and then outputs 6 analog channels (FL, FR, RL, RR, C, Sub) of full range signal that includes chimes and onstar (via the FL output). The benefit of this approach (assuming the Axxess stays working) is that you get full/clean signals that haven’t been processed by the Bose amp and you don’t have to clean up the all-pass filters and noise cancellation.
 

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