Disapponted city driving with AT4

Here is a shot (not a great one) of the 6.6L gas AT4X.

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I wonder if we could switch out the AEV Duramax button bank that has all slots filled with buttons and all the same size. Perhaps be able to use the three buttons I dont have or need for other things through a relay. Probably not likely with the computers on these trucks. I dont have exhaust brake, all windows down, axle lock and my downhill descent button is double wide.
 

Thanks for your reply, Whaler. I agree on a handful of those for sure.

Conversely, the GM gives you a few things the F-250 does not. Auto 4WD in Colorado / Wyoming is greatly appreciated, as road conditions can really vary, and full time 4WD is not needed. The front end tracking / steering is much better. And the multimatic shocks, can any stock F-250 compare here? No. I guess this is an area that the Ford can be upgraded, but I am not the kind of buyer to spend 80k+ (gas for me, call it 90k+ for diesel) and then another 5k right off the bat to make the ride more compliant. I actually like a truck to drive like a truck, but GM really has a unique offering with the AT4X and ZR2, giving you all HD truck capacities with a compliant factory ride.

On that subject, a ZR2 would have given you the place to mount the accessory racks right above the screen, and the upfitter switches, although I am not sure if they wire anything through the firewall when you order this option? I know they mount the switch bank on the console. Ford has this option nailed with the overhead switches, and there are some great harness options that make wiring accessories a breeze.
No doubt the AT4X ride is great for a HD truck. Can't beat the compliance of independent front suspension and the new shocks.

I've grown to love leather seats, but aside from that, most of what I really want is found on lower trim levels. In the distant past I bought the intermediate trim trucks, then installed leather and upgraded the suspension. But my wife is my travel/camping buddy, and she's two surgeries into a bad back, so I needed a great passenger seat from the beginning. For whatever reason, the Chevy option didn't provide fully adjustable massaging seats on the passenger side, so we bought the GMC. We'll get the rest of this stuff dialed in soon enough.
 

Now, if you could drop it going down the road and have a GE mini-gun replica mounted back there, that would be awesome. Ya, I'm a James Bond fan.
My preference would be the durable and reliable M2 -- Bringing people of the world around to our way of thinking since before I was born. 😇
 

Who wants to mess with a replica? Just a waste of space.
I couldn't afford the ammo. If'n it was real my thumbs would have calluses on them, but I like the way you think!

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Here's an automated turret that could easily be bed mounted. Just need a joy stick and tie the camera into the infotainment screen.
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Well, today it was hot, and we were hot, so when we got in the truck I turned the seat ventilation on high. The Raptor seats get downright cold after fifteen minutes on that setting, but we were unable to confirm that our seat ventilation was even working. Maybe it wasn’t? I have a service appointment next week, so I’ll add that to the repair list and report back. If it was working as designed, it’s a missing “feature”.

I’ve never heard folks compare Raptors to HD trucks. Raptors are marketed as hot rods, not work trucks. I think some folks, myself included, enjoyed the drive so much they sold themselves on the Raptor being more truck-like than it really is. I should have known better. Years ago my wife had a lifted Tacoma on 35s. Hauling golf clubs or a small cooler was about all that truck could do too, but she loved it.

Other little conveniences I’ve come to appreciate in other makes include:

Auto-dimming mirrors
Fold flat seats
Sunglasses compartment
Upfitter switches
Power adjust pedals
Power adjust steering
Cap-free fuel filling
Good quality stereo
Light(s) in engine compartment
Mounting location for secure cell phone holder (like Bullet
Point, 67 Designs, etc.)
Simple, subscription-free nav system
Multi-drive modes (2 modes only in the HDs)
Limited slip front diff
Full flat rear seat storage
Single switch transition from sunroof tilt/vent to open or closed

I poached most of the above list from another thread and then deleted “panoramic sunroof” which other manufacturers provide (but I don’t like), and then added a couple other things I miss. I have less than 800 miles on my truck, so I may discover more.

Most of these things are insignificant. Few actually matter to me. On the other hand, when the truck has a Monroney sticker over $107,000, it seems reasonable to expect every common convenience, and some of the missing stuff does matter to me — like upfitter switches. OEM accessory switching makes it easy to add accessories without drilling holes, fighting the firewall, or adding new aftermarket devices/panels with double-sided tape. I already bitched about this in a prior thread, so I won’t belabor the point here, but OEM accessory switches provide switched, programmable, fused, power inside the vehicle AND the engine compartment at almost no cost to the manufacturer. Why not just do it? All of the post-purchase alternatives are a comparative pain in the ass to install and they look worse than matched OEM switching in the dash or overhead console.

An overhead glasses compartment is a handy convenience too, particularly for those of us who have to switch from regular glasses to sunglasses while driving. The lined compartments make it easy to swap and stow glasses while driving, and they can be found in Dodges, Fords, Jeeps, Volkswagons, BMWs, and others.

So far, I love my AT4X, and I will eventually find solutions to the little things that bother me. I’ve already started.
1) I spent $2300 to improve the stereo, which is now close/similar to what came stock in the Raptor and my wife’s jeep.
2) I have strapped a case for my glasses to the visor. It doesn’t look as nice, it’s less secure, and it interferes with other stuff of the visor, but it works
3) I can screw or glue an Aux Beam or SPOD switch panel to the center console or a spot on the dash. Like #2 above, it won’t look OEM-clean, but it will work.
4) Suction cup mounts don’t remain stable and secure off road, so we have used 67 Designs and Bullet Point mounts for years. The aftermarket will eventually find a way to securely mount cell phones in the “refreshed” Denali and AT4x interiors, but wouldn’t it be great if GM could either offer such an accessory or provide an interior design that was slightly less vexing?

I know… I’ll get over it.
I'll add another missing feature. There's no 12-volt outlet or (cigarette lighter) to run the many accessories designed to be powered that way. Fortunately, I have only five such accessories.

Here are the accessories I have with only a 12 volt plug:
Streamlight flashlight
Handheld spotlight
Dometic refrigerator/freezer
Portable CB radio
Portable compressor

We used all of these things in our Wrangler, our Grand Cherokee, and my Ford Raptor, but there's no convenient way to use them in the GMC. Shame on me for not noticing all of these things before purchase.

Now I'm looking for adaptors for all of these items, so I can plug them into one of the charging options the truck DOES have. Looks like I can buy an adaptor for the fridge, but I'll have to build a solution for the others. Once again, GM could have spent about $5 to offer this convenience which seems to be available literally everywhere else. Why not?
 

Now I'm looking for adaptors for all of these items, so I can plug them into one of the charging options the truck DOES have. Looks like I can buy an adaptor for the fridge, but I'll have to build a solution for the others. Once again, GM could have spent about $5 to offer this convenience which seems to be available literally everywhere else. Why not?
What other charging options DO these have?

I got single battery but regret it. I'm not going to attempt to duplicate the system I should have ordered but considering a lithium ion battery for second battery tray and run my own wiring into cab. I have really stared to like these connectors.

 

What other charging options DO these have?

I got single battery but regret it. I'm not going to attempt to duplicate the system I should have ordered but considering a lithium ion battery for second battery tray and run my own wiring into cab. I have really stared to like these connectors.

I assume you would still hook to the alternator for charging? I've been battery shopping and lithiums are out of my price range. Even AGM's are ridiculous these days.

Also, did the 12v go away on the refresh? I have one beside the 120v and I think there's one in the console. Of course you all have running trucks 😆
 

I assume you would still hook to the alternator for charging? I've been battery shopping and lithiums are out of my price range. Even AGM's are ridiculous these days.

Also, did the 12v go away on the refresh? I have one beside the 120v and I think there's one in the console. Of course you all have running trucks 😆

Yes, would hook to alternator for charging through a DC-DC charger that can be configured with an ignition trigger to only charge when truck is running. This way its separate from computer etc and I dont have to worry about the truck thinking its smarter than me. I have gotten good deals on a 12v lithium 50ah as well as 100 ah. You just have to watch Amazon for price drops. The 100 was a great price on a "flash deal"

I have checked thoroughly for a standard 12v outlet in the entire cab and cant find a 12v outlet.
 

What other charging options DO these have?

I got single battery but regret it. I'm not going to attempt to duplicate the system I should have ordered but considering a lithium ion battery for second battery tray and run my own wiring into cab. I have really stared to like these connectors.

The Dometic fridge came with a second pigtail assembly which allows it to use 120. I never intended to use it that way, and never had to, so I’m going to dig for that part in my shop next weekend. I also have a Jackery 1500. I suppose I could just lug that around to run everything… That’s designed to plug into the truck’s 12v power too, but there are other ways to charge it.

The Streamlight has a charging mount that was installed in my last F350, but when I bought the Raptor I decided to keep it loose and plugged in inside the console. The 12 volt pigtail plugs into the mount, so I had hoped there was an available adaptor or USB power cable. No such luck. I guess Streamlight didn’t consider the possibility that manufacturers would eliminate 12v plugs in vehicles. I’ll just have to find another flashlight for the GMC.

The “500,000 candle power” spotlight cord only has the 12 volt plug. I guess I’ll need to replace that or do more funky custom wiring trickery.

Apparently GM has concluded that their typical $100,000 truck buyer doesn’t care about quality stereo sound, hard-wired accessories that can be operated with OEM accessory switches, OR any of the dozens of common plug-in accessories. This makes my head explode (as you can see). To me, it’s like building an $80,000 SUV or minivan with no cup holders and only an AM radio. Maybe it’s different in my world, but every guy I know has done something to customize his vehicles. I don’t want switch panels, wires, and dongles everywhere, but I have gotten accustomed to having a fridge, backup lights, and a fully charged flashlight. I’m grumpy that GM has made it so inconvenient and expensive to enjoy these conveniences.

This is irritating in the extreme, but I’ve brought the stereo up to decent OEM level for under $2,500 and I’m ordering parts to manage the other deficiencies every week. I guess I’ll go back to a regular battery flashlight. Parts for other fixes are stacking up in my shop almost daily. We’ll make it all work 1980s style, I guess — hopefully for a net cost of less than $6000 to achieve what comes for free from the other manufacturers.

As you can tell, I’m getting crusty, whiny, and short-tempered in my old age. Impatient too. It was hard for me to justify spending over $100k on a truck. I argued myself into it thinking it was likely to be my last truck, so I went for the highest trim 4x4 be without all the chrome and glitz. If had realized what was missing and what a pain in the ass this was going to be I would have bought another Ford or Dodge. It literally never occurred to me to look for most of these things, as I had not seen a fully-optioned truck or jeep without them in more than twenty years.

I hope this is the last shoe to drop.
 

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I am familiar with Jackery and have a 300 and a 1000. A 1500 will run a dometic for several days. I actually wish I had not bought the Jackery 1000 and did a make your own with an Amazon 100ah battery that will run the refrigerator for even longer than a Jackery 1000 and install under hood. Would be a good use of space.

I knew GMC had removed the 12 from the cab but I come from the Jeep world where I am very used to running my own wiring and mods to make it mine.

I paid $125 for this battery on a amazon special.


If I install it I will get this dc-dc charger and set it to charge from alternator if the engine in running.I might order it now because its $93 and usually $100 or more.

 

Thanks for your reply, Whaler. I agree on a handful of those for sure.

Conversely, the GM gives you a few things the F-250 does not. Auto 4WD in Colorado / Wyoming is greatly appreciated, as road conditions can really vary, and full time 4WD is not needed. The front end tracking / steering is much better. And the multimatic shocks, can any stock F-250 compare here? No. I guess this is an area that the Ford can be upgraded, but I am not the kind of buyer to spend 80k+ (gas for me, call it 90k+ for diesel) and then another 5k right off the bat to make the ride more compliant. I actually like a truck to drive like a truck, but GM really has a unique offering with the AT4X and ZR2, giving you all HD truck capacities with a compliant factory ride.

On that subject, a ZR2 would have given you the place to mount the accessory racks right above the screen, and the upfitter switches, although I am not sure if they wire anything through the firewall when you order this option? I know they mount the switch bank on the console. Ford has this option nailed with the overhead switches, and there are some great harness options that make wiring accessories a breeze.
I think the ZR2 also has 12 volt outlets, or at least it did. I’m still looking at ways to install a couple of those. Since almost every other truck and suv has come with them from the factory for the last 50 years, there aren’t many good aftermarket solutions.

If I remember right, power seat adjustment was’t even available on the passenger side of the factory-lifted Chevys.

On the Ford and Dodge side transitioning from a half-ton to a three-quarter or one-ton truck doesn’t require giving up features. It just requires more money.
 

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